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Editorials > If You Love 300, You Might be an Idiot

I was in a film production class where we discussed ethics and violence and the things one usually discusses in a film production class when the professor is too lazy to come up with anything of his own to say. This is basically a distillation and continuation of an argument I had with roughly half the class (all male) concerning the film 300. I realize, of course, that 300 has been out for quite a while and that this discussion has been made before, but what is the Internet for if not angrily saying things through text that you didn’t have the time or ability to say vocally?

Basically, we talked about how films like Hostel and Saw, while entertaining, really amounted to torture porn (though not to suggest that this is unequivocally a bad thing). Several students then went on to say that violence depicted for violence’s sake in films like Hostel was harmful, whereas “good,” moral violence like that found in films like 300 are at worst harmless, and at best very positive.

Leaving aside discussions concerning the moral benefits of simulated violence, I just want to focus on a few facts concerning 300: firstly, that the film is hypocritical and morally black-and-white, and secondly, that it also sucks.

People defend the violence of 300 by saying that the Spartans, while brutal, were good and moral men who fought against the fascist, megalomaniacal power of Xerxes and the Persian army. That in fighting rough and leaving no prisoners or wounded, they were fighting and dying for freedom. The word “freedom” is repeated quite often in the film – Leonidas refers to Sparta’s existence as the birth of an age of freedom, the Queen tells Leonidas to ask himself “what would a free man do,” and so on. The only problem, of course, is that the Sparta we’re shown really doesn’t seem all that free in the first place.

 

We are, after all, talking about a civilization in which the first thing we’re told about them – the very first thing we’re told about them – is that they kill sick or weak babies. So, you’re free, but not if you’re a baby (or a parent, evidently: the mutated son of a Spartan later on in the film points out the fact that his parents had to hide him in order to save his life), and especially not if you’re a physically ill baby.

 

 

Additionally, the Oracle in the mountains – a young, beautiful girl – is said to have been forced into the hands of the leprosy-infected religious leaders, where she is drugged and raped on, assumedly, a daily basis. While Leonidas is obviously disgusted at the religious fanatics, he makes no effort whatsoever to stop their sex slavery. So, no freedom in Sparta if you’re sick, a baby, or beautiful.

 

 

Or what about the fact that Leonidas kills the ambassador from an opposing nation, thereby breaking the only inviolate rule of warfare and international discussion? True, the Persian was acting like a total dick and, as a foreigner, does not fall under the Spartan umbrella of “freedom,” but we’re still talking about killing an unarmed man who was delivering a message from someone else.

So, if the Sparta in 300 doesn’t extend freedoms to children, parents, pretty girls or messengers, what makes it so free? Is it the fact that they vote by democracy? If so, then why is Leonidas’s decision to ignore the wishes of the democratically-elected council held in such high regard? If Leonidas values freedom so much, then why is his wholesale indifference to the wishes of the democracy portrayed as such a virtue? That’s not freedom – that’s a dictatorship.

Defenders of the film will inevitably point to the fact that the film is more or less grounded in reality , the stylistic exaggerations of the one-eyed storyteller (the size of the elephants, the evil excesses of the Persians, etcetera) notwithstanding. That, since the Spartans really did kill their children, for the film to point it out should in no way reflect poorly on its moral message. While this argument is almost completely irrelevant due to the fact that the film’s moral message must be judged on the merits of the film alone, it brings up an interesting point regarding what the film doesn’t include. Most notably, it fails to mention the rampant homosexuality in the Spartan ranks, including Leonidas’s own same-sex relationship(s). The film does, of course, make quick reference to homosexuality by referring to Athenians as boy-lovers, but this insult – especially when made without acknowledging the actual homosexuality which was so prevalent in Sparta – illogically equates the liberal, philosophical Athenians with lecherous pedophiles. In calling Athenians gay but neglecting to mention the similar habits of the Spartans, the film essentially establishes itself as simplistic, BS, male fantasy. Why aren’t Spartans gay in 300? Because if they were, then college-aged males wouldn’t find the film so badass. 300 wants to entertain with action and deify the Spartans solely through their ability to kill, thereby suggesting that this fascist, gung-ho brand of violence is something to be morally admired.

 

So, to summarize, they aren’t really fighting for freedom, and therefore the violence they commit is just simplistic, black-and-white “good vs evil” type stuff. I won’t go off on the irritating racism tangent concerning the depiction of the Persians because I don’t necessarily buy into it, but it stands to be said that the baddies are all faceless, ugly, one-dimensional thugs where the Spartans are portrayed as brave and heroic and very well-oiled. The “we good, they bad” attitude, apart from being painfully hypocritical given our views of Spartan society, is a really, really irritating moral simplification that is too often used to justify the ethical simplicity of films like 300 or (to provide an aesthetically dissimilar, but thematically identical example) The Boondock Saints.

Unlike The Boondock Saints, however, 300 is not a particularly good work of narrative fiction. Oh, it’s pretty, to be sure (CGI blood helps distance the viewer from the grotesque natural of real violence, thus glorifying it), but not much else. The characters are all simplistic save for Leonidas’s wife (whose scenes, incidentally, are the only ones in the movie that aren’t in the graphic novel); the fighting starts too soon before you get to know any of the characters or become afraid of the army they fight; the action is unimpressive and bogged down by absurd amounts of slow-motion; and, of course, there’s no real climax and you don’t feel anything when the Spartans get killed at the end. Not sympathy. Not sadness. The moment is nothing short of shrug-inducing.

 

But, of course, your mileage may vary. I don’t wish to make the blanket statement that all people who love 300 are simpletons (Nathan Fillion seemed to really enjoy the flick, and I try not to make a habit of insulting people I idolize), but the pieces are there: a shoddy narrative, a hypocritical morality, and a black-and-white approach to violence. As pretty and action-packed as the film may be, it’s an overly simplistic, borderline harmful piece of work.

In my opinion, anyway.

 

Comments

lukaskaiser on 10/02/2007 11:26pm
You also might be gay
Puce on 10/03/2007 00:51am
clever comment lukaskaiser you and Leonidas maybe the only ones that could come up with that. The movie was great visually but the points made above are very true . BOY LOVER
Puce on 10/03/2007 00:53am
Is that mask the same from heroes
King Kracka on 10/03/2007 02:18am
I personally enjoyed the movie. Of course, I was also a big fan of the comic as well.

I love how the occasional asshole shoots 300 down for being "simplistic", as if simplistic is a horrid thing to be. That because a movie doesn't have half a dozen story lines and a "plot twist" every 30 minutes it's a bad piece of cinema. I really am starting to believe that people nowadays can't handle a story that simply goes from point A to point B.

Shitty review/article.

In my opinion, anyway.



fenrir on 10/03/2007 05:28am
Well the review exectly portrays my own opinion of the film.
Visually stunning, bad storytelling, hypocritical up to the point of being a plain Propaganda movie.
I'm serious about the last point - stunning visuals combined with an extremly biased story was absolutely typical for Propaganda movies. The portayal of the Spartans looked perfectly Riefenstahl to me.
JPDyno on 10/03/2007 06:34am
I Liked it. Good popcorn flick. Its a movie you can talk in the middle of and still enjoy, Good action sequences. Well its Basically just a big brawl. Like watching the boxing or the wrestling (neither i really like watching, but basically its the same thing)

The hypocritical nature of the story, and the obvious "good vs bad" rhetoric, I didnt mind it. I thought It fit well as some sort of legend passed down from spartan to spartan, obviously biased towards the spartans. Your completely right about the propaganda, It is what it is. But its a spartan war-story being told to spartan warriors before they go to war. Ofcourse its propaganda. Id like to see a second movie told from the persian perspective, and one-eyed towards the persians.

I really dont see it as harmful. You think people in the streets are going to met persians and yell "hey the spartans kicked yo ass!!!! weak bitchs!!!"???

As for why arent the spartans homosexuals in the movie like they were in real life?
well sad as it is, An Action movie like this whose major boxoffice numbers would come from homophobic school-aged jocks and such, wouldnt sell anywhere near as well with its heroes being rampant homosexuals. I wish it was otherwise, i really do, but i believe the majority of the population is not yet ready for a gay action hero.
Prat on 10/03/2007 06:49am
This is just completely retarded.
300 was based on a COMIC. yes, GASP, A COMIC!* and the good vs bad thing? its in almost all comics, the homosexuality thing? this particular comic isn't actually historically accurate. You might have noticed that with the slow-mos, the huge monsters and such, so I don't know why your ripping into this. Its purely an action flick. you might as well go whine about how Bruce Willis in Die Hard 4 couldn't actually ram a car into a helicopter, but seriously, action is just action. If you want some historical bio-pic go for something like Alexander, yes it has subtle hints of homosexuality in it, hopefully keep you satisfied.
will on 10/03/2007 08:36am
Didn't everyone know this when walking into to the cinema?

This was a film to see for it's visual effects. There isn't a story, it just looks cool. Anyone who thinks it's gay is just insecure.
creature on 10/03/2007 09:40am
I don't think this film ever claimed to be "historically accurate", but what it did claim to be was entertaining which is what I found it to be. I don't believe myself to be an idiot.
john_lichman on 10/03/2007 09:50am
you mean this wasn't the prequel to the 400 blows?
Silverglade on 10/03/2007 11:08am
the film was never intended to be historically accurate. it is not even based directly on the battle of thermopalae (spelling?). it is based on a COMIC which was based on the battle... this movie was not meant to educate you about history! it is simply a graphic novel comic book realized into film! enjoy it for that value! because in that regard, it was impeccably good. sometimes exact illustrations in frames brought to life, down to the details of the wolf's eyes and the persians being pushed off the cliff.
carbon etc on 10/03/2007 12:02pm
I liked the movie. A lot, actually.

Like the commenter Silverglade said, the film and comic were intended to be stylized and exaggerated from the beginning. They're loosely based on actual events. It's all completely on purpose. It's hyper-reality. Someone complaining about it not being historically accurate might as well complain that an apple isn't an orange.

I believe the black-white nature of the plot is intentional too. The movie isn't saying that these Spartan characters are objectively good, nor the Persian characters objectively bad. The story is told through a lens. You don't experience the movie as an outsider. You experience the movie as a Spartan, and all the Spartan beliefs about their superiority and righteousness come with that position.

I think this is where people get confused, because movies aren't made this way very often. We seem to have this assumption that we're always situated on a level above the action and the plot in any movie we see and we're provided with more insight and information than the characters are. If the movie had been made in an objective fashion, we would see that all of the characters are flawed and primitive, and thanks to our modern sensibilities we know better how things should be done. But the movie, instead, puts you inside the skin of a Spartan. The entire universe they exist in is drastically skewed to their beliefs and biases. Being allowed to keep their baby-killing society IS freedom, to them. Propaganda expects YOU, the objective viewer, to believe something. But what if you were to BE the believer for a day? That's what's happening here, expressionism rather than naturalism, and a lot of people just didn't catch on.

This is a legitimate story-telling approach, and a totally fascinating one, I think. Dropping the viewer into a fully subjective perspective is frequently done in novels, but the technique has been largely neglected in the film medium. I think 300 might be the best demonstration that we've seen so far of the possibilities of it.
FatalError on 10/03/2007 12:50pm
I don't have the effort to refute your points, or show you the error in your logic. Therefore, I will say only this: you, sir, are a douche.
erikamonson on 10/03/2007 1:31pm
King Kracka: Simple is a fine thing to be. Simplistic, or OVERsimplified, is not. There's a clear distinction there, and though I hate to play semantics, "simplistic" has a clearly negative denotation that makes it necessarily "not ok." And from reading the article, it's an assertion not based on the plot at all, as you seem to claim.

fenrir: I like the Riefenstahl comparison, and I think that's a high compliment to the visual aesthetics of 300. Though the slo-mo is exaggerated and repeated to the point of absurdity.

Prat: Read better comics.

creature, Silverglade: If you want to grade the movie on how accurately it adapted the graphic novel, then I agree that you've got to give props. If you want to grade it against its peers, then it falls very short, while it is gorgeous if gimmicked.

carbon: I like your take on the subjective narrative -- it's by far the most significant point made on your side of this debate -- but I still found the characters to be universally flat and not at all compelling. I could not connect to this movie at all, and you'd think that would be easier to do with something told so directly from one perspective. I also disagree that this was the first or even among the first to attempt it, though I agree with the tacit statement that it's not done often enough.
reverendanthony on 10/03/2007 3:26pm
carbon --
You've got a very, very good point, but I think the practical problem resulting from it is that the vast majority of the film's fans I've spoken with don't seem to realize the film is wholly subjective. I'm not suggesting the film should have rubbed our face in the fact that the film is mostly told through an unreliable narrator, but I find it a little disturbing that an entire room of legal adults literally began to groan and, in some cases, stand up and shout, at the suggestion that following the tenets of the Spartan civilization -- "honor," "freedom," kicking people down wells, etcetera -- isn't necessarily a good idea.

This of course brings up the question of whether it's the filmmaker's responsibility to make his teachings and intentions clear, or if it's the viewer's responsibility to pay sufficient attention and understand (which, perhaps unsurprisingly, was the exact discussion which led into the 300 argument in my film class), but the immense support this film seems to have garnered from certain groups of people leads me to believe that the fault, at least partially, lies with the film.

I'm also not entirely sure that the film is TRULY subjective -- that is to say, the characters seem to oddly digress in explaining the brutality of their actions, not so much for the benefit of other characters, but to keep the audience's sympathies at any cost. Leonidas spends quite a bit of time explaining why he's about to kick the messenger down the well right before does so, despite the fact that Leonidas, the Messenger, and the one-eyed storyteller who delivers the legend to his soldiers probably wouldn't have required so much hand-wringing over the rationale for the murder.
Apocalyptic0n3 on 10/03/2007 3:28pm
Ok... I've been a loyal reader of Filmwad for about about 8 months. I've even whitelisted you guys in Adblock and occasionally click your ads to help support you. But... this is completely uncalled for. You sound like the friggin' president of Iran. What next? There aren't homosexuals reading Filmwad?

This movie was not meant to be a historical biopic. It was a gorefest. An action-flick. It was frggin FRANK MILLER! What don't you understand about that? It was not meant to accurately depict the homosexuality of the time.

If this movie was meant to be accurate, do you think that Xerxes would have been 8 feet tall, a seemingly transsexual, naked, and pierced to death to boot? If you do, you've lost my readership right there.

As for your whole freedom issue... are you historically illiterate? Freedom in Classical Greece was not what it is today. Slaves were the norm. I believe it was Socrates, one of the greatest philosophers of all time (May have been Cicero in Rome though), that stated that slavery was a necessary evil. Inequality was the norm of the time. Look at India's caste system of the time. Freedom as viewed by the Spartans was not what it is today.



Basically, it's like this. I've been reading Filmwad for 8 months now, as stated. I check the site 10 or so times daily. If these bullshit articles don't stop, you're losing a dedicated reader. I will get my movie news from other sources. You just called millions upon millions of people idiots, a ton of people who visit your site daily. I've kept my tongue over some of your recent "Filmwad Rant"s but I am done. If I see anymore, I'm gone and I -will- attempt to rally other readers away with me. Your choice here, Filmwad. Stop the bias or lose your readers.
vixen on 10/03/2007 3:41pm
Wow, thankfully I'm not the only person that thinks 300 was a huge disappointment.
apt213 on 10/04/2007 01:57am
You know, I felt some of the very same things when I watched Sin City. I mean, it was totally unrealistic, and not at all based in any kind of morality.

There's no WAY a person can actually be yellow and look all crazy like Roark Jr. And I somehow find it very unlikely that Jackie Boy could have held on to the car while Marv was driving it away. And Elijah Wood's character? Come on. You can't go from playing the keeper of the Ring to playing a cannibal! Talk about a gore-fest and a film totally devoid of any moral fiber. The whole film seems to be from Marv's perpsective, and it almost makes you kind of sympathize with him, even though he's a womanizing, murdering bastard. And the gay angle- sheesh! Don't even get me started on how they blatantly portrayed what society deems to be the "appropriate" lesbian character by making Lucille desperately hot. It's all so offensive. Anyone who liked that movie must be a total idiot.

What? What's that you say? You say that Sin City was based upon a comic book? You're joking! Wow. Well, looking it it from that perspective, maybe I should calm the hell down and just enjoy it for what it is: a brilliant adaptation of Frank Miller's work.

Kinda like 300...
lukaskaiser on 10/04/2007 02:05am
haha wow, this one got everyone's blood boiling...
lukaskaiser on 10/04/2007 02:16am
and to Apocalyptic0n3, we don't want to lose your loyal readership (or anyone else's)...we have three sections of the site, the news, the "editorials" section, and the reviews...when it comes to the news, we don't fuck around...we've even made changes w/ writers and had to make sure to stress to everyone involved that we want to cover all the film news that's out there and to cover it straight, with no bullshit. When it comes to everything else, it's up to the writer and the writer's discretion...we write the film rants to generate interest in the comments, to generate interest on the site and hopefully to generate interest in you guys to write your own rants/reviews etc. ...so hopefully, if you feel your voice is underrepresented, you'll call us out in the comments or write your own editorials...and i think your points on 300 were totally on point, for the most part, as were some of Anthony's as well...i think it comes down to what you value in a film...300 has some great action sequences, it's got some great gore, and if you love that stuff, it's your film. my main critique of it, being a fan of those films, was there was just way too much slow motion. a little goes a long way and it usually works for dramatic effect..it's sort of annoying to just randomly slow the action down, though i think that helped the flick better reflect frank miller's graphic novel, so it's tough to argue against it if you want to please the purists...

it sucks that the article was titled "you might be an idiot," though...a lot of our readers like the film and i'd hope to say that you guys aren't idiots...hope I don't sound too much like a sycophantic pussy, but we love you guys!
Apocalyptic0n3 on 10/04/2007 02:54am
I was kinda ticked off when I Wrote that but it's like this. Your news is good but for a site that is so professional in its news, why is Filmwad so un-professional in its editorials? Yes, it is supposed to be opinionated but a post on a site as large as this (80,000 views a week according to Alexa) needs to be well-researched and not call the reader an idiot in the process. This isn't the only post that has gotten me totally pissed off.

http://www.filmwad.com/today-s-filmwad-rant-dear-movies-realistic-depictions-of-health-care-please--4709-p.html
http://www.filmwad.com/today-s-filmwad-rant-stuff-i-m-not-mad-at-4742-p.html

Those are just two on the main page. The bias in those -wreak-.

As a site with such a professional atmosphere, you have to do one of two things. 1) Stop posting crap like this. Even real newspapers go out of their way to ensure that their reader's editorials aren't overly absurd. You are responsible for what is said by your employees. 2) Redo the site. If you want to have these editorials, put them elsewhere. Right now, it's the main focus of the home page. Why? It's not news. It's not breaking news like it feels it should be. Change this.
lukaskaiser on 10/05/2007 01:45am
Thanks for the feedback, guys...we can't change everything, but hopefully the site will please everyone even more in the near future. Thanks for your continued support!
King Kracka on 10/05/2007 02:25am
I do understand and agree with Apocalyptic0n3 about the main focus of the page clearly being the editorials, and not the news.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion(no matter how much I may hate it) and I understand that, but I think Apocalyptic makes some good points (like the editorials being the main focus on the front page). He pretty much summed up how I feel.

yup. Your news is great though! Always up to date and on top of things.

Anaughtybear on 10/05/2007 6:18pm
It really doesn't matter what the author thinks of the film, as he seems to be nitpicking, rather than analyzing the appropriate points. One can take the author's stance on basically any movie ever made. Surely, Indiana Jones couldn't have found the real holy grail, right? We need to see the film for what it is, not what one person wishes it was. 300 is a an entertaining film, adapted from a graphic novel, not straight from an historical text. If the filmmakers corrected all the items he pointed out, nobody would have watched the movie. Therefore, it wouldn't have been made. More importantly, I wouldn't have been entertained, which was the reason I paid nine dollars in the first place. This kind of one-sided rant belongs on the 300 posts of IMDb, not taking up space that can be used to inform us of movie news, which is why I came here.
King Kracka on 10/06/2007 00:00am
well put Mr. Bear, well put.
lukaskaiser on 10/06/2007 01:27am
king kracka...check us out next week...we all kind of agree w/ the sentiment and will be attempting to use the 2nd column space to post the big stories of the day mixed with a few original articles and the "FW breaks it down" feature...hope you guys dig it, and keep checking us out and telling your friends!
King Kracka on 10/07/2007 03:45am
excellent. Sounds good, I look forward to it.
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